Rule of might than right

Saw a frightening event yesterday at Siang Malam mamak in Seremban.

Commotion started when I saw some attendants rushing to see what is happening behind me.

2 Malay and 1 chinese man who identified themselves as police stopped a car and ask the occupants to come out. Then started the big arguments about " Lu Siapa".. " Saya Polis" with heavy shovings and finger pointings in the face. At one point , the indian man shoved the 'police' and got himself arrested.

Then another group of 5-7 Indians came and began another huge shouting, shoving and chasing each other thingie. Apprently , one of them spoke like he too was a police and both 'police' does not know each other. It was frightening. They surrounded the 3 earlier man and hassled them. The rest of the us just kept quiet to watch the show & i was trying to take the video of the incident without getting caught or bashed up. At one point of a time, it was going to be a huge fight. Went off after some time while both parties try to 'settle'. ( with money, grand daddy's etc)

I wonder .. who is telling the truth?

The chinese man does not look like a police and claims to be one by having a laminated badge. How does he get it?

The original 'police' came in a Proton Satria red colour. Even if they really are plain clothes policeman, would there be any real protocol to follow? How did one of them have wrist cuffs?

And if both side really have policemen then, why are they helping these thuggish man?

It looks real nasty for a civil society if we degenerate into this .. where might is better than rights! Surely, it does not bring comfort to the normal civilians.

Latest Body Snatcher - No Justice to the Family

In the new paper, He claimed he visited his father when all the sibling are not around. Can he swear with his GOD name that he does this? All this while my PIL are staying with my other BIL in Klang. They will only go back to Sban on weekends or School holiday. When they are back we tried to have a gathering for the family but how come we dont see him at all. IS he too visible for us to see him? If you claim that you visited your PIL enough to make them agreed with you for the conversion only GOD know…. Read More ( The anguish of a Family member)

Here is my comment on this issue:

This is a loop hole that the islamic authorities need to close. I am going to be a bit ‘naughty’ and suggest this scenario. Since a Muslim can only inherit another Muslim’s property and non Muslims are not able to, it will motivate a nasty person to use this loophole to obtain property in the eyes of the syariah law.

The same with the law on divorce when someone can divorce their spouse and not pay alimony + get custory of children + whatever property... just by converting. What greater motivation can this generate to?

More facts of the case

Justice and Fair play for the family of Gan Eng Gor (deceased)
1. Our father was seventy four (74) years old. He suffered a severe stroke in 2006. He was as immobilized,bedridden, mentally unsound, cannot speak, partially deaf and has very poor vision.
2. We transferred him to stay with one of our brothers in Klang. Our aged mother looked after, bathed andfed him. She also helped to look after our nephews and nieces.
3. Our father died on 20th Jan 2008. As Gan Hock Seng (the eldest son) is a member of the family, we informed him of our father’s death. He was then told us that our father is a muslim, we were shocked and did not believed him. So we continue to perform the wake service as our father have never led a muslim life. The Majlis Agama officers came and attempted to snatch the dead body, all our family members more shocked and angry, we resisted and strongly protested against the removal of our father’s body.
4. We obtained his alleged conversion papers from Majlis Agama the second day.
5. We were advised by our solicitors that there are serious irregularities in the said conversion papers especially the Declaration of Conversion into Islam.
a). The declaration was before a Pegawai Ukhuwah. His rubber stamp was on the paper but that officer did not sign.
b). Further there was no signatory at the certification column.
c). There was an illegal alteration on the date to 3rd July 2007.
d). The thumb print was questionable as we are certain that our deceased father was in Klang and not at the address No. 451, Taman Megaway, 70400 Sikamat, Seremban as stated in the application form.
e). His address stated in the Borang Perakuan Memeluk Islam is No: 1272, Jalan TBK 6/2, Taman Bkt Kepayang, 70200 Seremban, the residence of the eldest son. We wish to state that our father has never resided at this address.
f). The Majlis Agama Authorities claimed that our deceased father made an oral declaration in Arabic accepting the Muslim faith. Our family has medical confirmations from three doctors that our father was unable to speak.
g). We were asked to appear before the Syariah Court Seremban, we believe the Syariah Court is for Muslims only.
h). We refused to attend at the Syariah Court on a matter of principle as non-Muslims. We refused to submit to the jurisdiction of the Syariah Court.
i). The Syariah Court made a unilateral declaration that our father is a Muslim and is to be buried in accordance to Muslim rites.
j). We filed an application at the High Court Seremban to adjudicate on the validity, authenticity, veracity and legality of the conversion paper especially the declaration of acceptance into Islam.
k). The High Court Seremban dismissed our application on the ground that he has no jurisdiction to hear this matter as the subject matter falls within the purview of the Syariah Court. We beg to differ.
l). We were indeed shocked and aggrieved at the simplistic way the High Court disposed off this matter. We only seek justice, fair play and to find out the truth on his alleged conversion.
10. The eldest son Gan Hock Seng converted to Islam years ago. Our father and mother had strenuously opposed his conversion.
11. This eldest son had allegedly converted our father without the knowledge of our other and all other seven siblings.
12. Further, the eldest son had NEVER taken care of him physically and financially. He hardly visited him too.
13. Even if the eldest son had converted our father, we like to ask :
i). Why is it that he did not take care of him and brought him to stay in his house to lead a Muslim life?
ii). Why did he allow our father to continue living in a non‐muslim home in Klang ? Our father had never prayed and continued eating pork and other non‐halal food. He never revealed to anyone that he has converted to Islam.
iii). Why he as a Muslim, did not ensure that our father (if he had been indeed converted) led a Muslim life ?
iv). Why is it that the Agama Islam authorities did not visit and follow up with our father – the alleged new convert, after his conversion?
14. We believe we have been unfairly treated by our eldest brother and the Agama Islam authorities in this alleged conversion of our father. If there had been a conversion, we firmly believe that the Agama Islam authorities should have informed all members of the family. There should not be a fight over the body of dead person. There should be dignity and respect on the dead person.
15. We hope the PM and the higher ups in the Islamic Authorities review this case and to ensure that the truth is unraveled. We hope that all conversions to Islam is fair and transparent and made known to all the next of kin of the convert.
We Seek Justice, Fair play and Truth in this matter.
Let Gan Eng Gor be the last body-snatching case in Malaysia. The Cabinet Ministers should stop shirking their responsibilities to the people and nation and should place the Gan Eng Gor case on the top of Cabinet agenda on Wednesday to put an immediate end to all “body-snatchings” in Malaysia.

Worth Every Cents

What can you do with RM0.50 cents nowadays?

The 2008 Thaipusam coverage in NTV7 via The Breakfast show reeks of political opportunism. They showcased Batu Caves where MIC politicians ( instead of religious sami) came in to praise themselves. SMS and phone calls are in the tune of " Oh , thank you government for being so caring" or something non-threatening. Incensed, decided to spend RM0.50 to put a message on the mssg board. It was a gamble as I could be caught. And was quite sure that the SMS will not be published. I knew that my message got to be sinister enought not to be sanctioned, so this is my best try:-

TBS Best Thaipussam wishes to all believers. Avoid using this as a political platform in respect of the day lar. Joe.

The phone vibrates back.

RM0.50. Thank you for your feedback.
From the breakfast show team. the show waking up for.

Am I just another RM0.50?
Since I woke up very early for this, I guess that I just need to wait for my message to come. It will be best if it comes during the next Putra MIC sermon about how great they are with my message flashing accross.

Waited .. and waited.

More 'nice' messages...

Giving up, went to the fridge to raid. Got the last piece of Bak Kua. As i was munching the microwaved bak kua, the miracle happened.

See, she is doing her religious duties and some chaps just want to take advantage of the situation. MIC, Give us a break. And it looked less that 1 million people to me than claimed.
Best RM0.50 cents spent. Hope many people saw that and figured that the message is not for the 'baddies'.

crosses need to be destroyed and church influences in these schools need to be stopped ..

The funny thing about missionary schools nowadays is that your children does not get even Christian education from it anymore. I cannot recall any of my friends who are now christians just by studying in one. Oh, and we sing Christians songs? I remember leading the Johor state song during perhimpunan that starts with "Allah perliharakan Sultan". Today, I can't sing that anymore because it is now exclusived. This La Salle school have 3 suraus and we are unable to have our own Christian Fellowship (CFs) as it was not recognised by the education department. So, it was ironic that I finally saw the transcipt of this debate of 'hearsays'. ( I heards someone say). Wei, give some evidence loh. What i know is that whatever cross that is left 'undestroyed', it will be taken out in the next years of Islamisation process in schools. The missionary schools with its examplerary educations success will be a passe.

Btw, have anybody ask why nobody wants to send their child to government schools? It seemed that after chinese schools, missionary schools are next sought after.

Tuan Syed Hood bin Syed Edros [Parit Sulong]:

[Some unrelated stuff first] Yang Di-Pertua, I would like to touch on a matter regarding the Ministry of Education, which are Christian missionary schools like Convent, La Salle, Methodist, and so forth. I was made to understand that the Board of Directors at these schools are partially administered by churches in foreign countries, for example in the Vatican City. I was also made to understand that the application to build a ’surau’ in some of these schools had to go through the approval of these Board of Directors whereby they are partially administered by the church. Therefore, it shames me that the school administrations are still controlled by the church. I was also made to understand that many Muslim parents send their kids to these schools, and that they have complained that sometimes, the school is started with church songs. I do not know if this is true, but what I discovered from these parents are the display of religious symbols. I feel disappointed that in an Islamic country, Malaysia, if I go to a convent school, the statue of St. Mary is displayed in the front of the school.

Read here for the writeup.